Sunday, March 2, 2008

HERG / HEARG : BEOWULF'S SACRED GROVE & C. ARABIC "HRG" - LexiLine Journal 480

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(This is part of a series of investigations reexamining aspects of the relationship between IE and Semitic languages, by considering in detail derivations of areas where inferences were made about words which were common to the homeland of the Indo-European-speaking people before the period of migrations took them to the different localities)
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The focus of this investigation is the term "herg / hearg".
Kathleen Herbert (1), in her book "Lost Gods of the English", while discussing the origins of the Anglo–Saxons, alludes to the term "herg and/or hearg". A term mentioned in Beowulf referring to a grove where a god was worshipped. Hence, to the Christian, a wicked place(?): dat. pl. hergum geheaðerod, confined in wicked places (parallel with hell-bendum fæst), Beowulf 3073.
"The Heathen worship of gods and goddesses in pre-Christian England probably took place in sacred groves, and maybe also walled and roofed temples. The Old English words for such places of worship are ealh/alh, heargh/hearh (hearg, herg) and lea/ley. It seems likely that since earliest times open air groves in forests and hill sanctuaries were the main places of worship amongst the Anglo-Saxons, and this is backed up by the writings of Tacitus, who tell us:
"They judge that gods cannot be contained inside walls...they consecrate groves and woodland glades and call by the names of gods that mystery which they only perceive by the same sense of reverence."
(Translation from "Looking for the Lost Gods of England" by Kathleen Herbert)
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ETYMOLOGY
Herg, hearg: A grove, a heathen place of worship. Icel. hörgr, OHG. harug, haruc, haruch. (2)
COMPARE WITH
Classical Arabic Hrg (Ha' + ra' +djym): a wood or collection of trees so called because of their closeness, or dense tangled trees which the pasturing animals cannot reach. From a trilateral root "Hrg" with a base meaning: became collected together, became close, strait or narrow.
Ishinan
March 1st, 2008
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SOURCES:
(1) Kathleen Herbert is an expert in the field of pre-Norman-conquest England. Her book is not a "New Age" pagan text, but a serious, academic, and properly sourced study of the pre-Christian beliefs which the very early English peoples brought with them to Britain from their continental Germanic homelands.
(2) Exxon; Th. Codex Exoniensis, Collection of Anglo-Saxon poetry, from a MS. of the Dean and Chapter of Exeter by Benjamin Thrope (1782-1870), London 1842..Exxon 54b: Th.192, 25, Az 130 translated by Grein, in Chr . Grein's Bibliothek der A.S . Poesie (vol. iii. See also:PART part 1, ed . R . Wiilke)
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I think here that you have come across the origin of our modern term "church", German Kirche, which has the clearly incorrect current etymology as based in the alleged PIE root keu- "hole, hollow, swell", another etymology by Indo-European scholars that defies intelligence.

It is clear that Old English Herg, Hearg and Arabic Hrg are not wicked places but were rather the ancient temples of worship of the ancients before one built halls of worship of wood or stone, so that *Kerg- (Kirche, Church) is surely a variant of Herg, Hearg and Hrg, i.e. churches as originating in ancient groves of trees. The term is retained in Latvain as kark-ls, kark-lajs "osier, osiery", i.e. a group of willow trees.

The holy willow tree is significant for ancient religious belief. I quote from http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/bestiary/phoenix.htm

"Phoenix. The phoenix or benu bird was initially probably a kind of a wagtail rather than a heron. It was the holy bird of Heliopolis where it lived on a ben-ben stone or a holy willow tree. The phoenix was considered to be the ba bird of Re.
Grant thou to me glory in heaven, and power upon earth, and truth-speaking in the Divine Underworld, and [the power to] sail down the river to Tetu in the form of a living Ba-soul, and [the power to] sail up the river to Abydos in the form of a Benu bird, and [the power to] pass in through and to pass out from, without obstruction, the doors of the lords of the Tuat.

Book of the Dead
Translated by E.A.W.Budge

The Phoenix was the first creature to appear in the world newly emerged from the chaos:
I am the Phoenix, the great heron, the bird of emergence. First creature to appear on the primordial hill that rose from (the waters of) Nun's chaos. I look back over all that was, I recall each detail.
Jacob Rabinovitz: Isle of Fire, Coffin Text 335a, p.96"
The willow tree will take its name from the Latvian root "ker- "to gather together, catch".

The willow will have been the ancient proverbial "shade tree" which was seen as beneficial, even in far-away Japanese legend :

"[The willow] marked the playing-ground of all the village children, who swung on its branches, and climbed on its limbs. It afforded shade to the aged in the heat of summer, and in the evenings, when work was done, many were the village lads and lasses who vowed eternal love under its branches. The tree seemed an influence for good to all."

Willow trees were initially thus just an ancient social gathering place, a gathering place which only in the course of time was given a much more artificial, religious significance.

The word church thus originally had nothing to do etymologically with caves or hollows. Rather, God's world was the outdoors of nature, with the willow providing the shelter that man needed in days before buildings and halls.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008

THE CASE OF "GRASS" (PIE: *ghr-so- ) & C. ARABIC "GHRZ" - LexiLine Journal 479

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THE CASE OF "GRASS" (PIE: *ghr-so- ) & C. ARABIC "GHRZ"
This is part of a series of investigations reexamining aspects of the relationship between IE and Semitic languages, by considering in detail derivations of areas where inferences were made about words which were common to the homeland of the Indo-European-speaking people before the period of migrations took them to the different localities.
Migration is a way of life for nomads in which herding cattle is the basis of economic life. If the early Indo-Europeans relied upon herding for survival, then it is safe to assume that they were bound to move their herds in search of fresh pasture.
In this segment, the focus is on the term "grass". According to Indo-Europeanists, words for "grass" are from such a notion as "green, growing, fat, blade, but in part also from fodder, since the fodder was usually grass.
ETYMOLOGY: ghr- : To grow, become green. Contracted from *ghre1-. 1. O-grade form *ghr-. grow, from Old English grwan, to grow, from Germanic *gr(w)an. 2. Suffixed o-grade form *ghr-n-yo-. green, from Old English grne, green, from Germanic *grnjaz, green. 3. Suffixed zero-grade form *ghr-so-. grass, graze1, from Old English græs, grass, from Germanic *grasam, grass. (Pokorny (ghr-)
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GROWTH: –noun 1. the act or process, or a manner of growing; development; gradual increase. 2. size or stage of development: It hasn't yet reached its full growth. (biology) the process of an individual organism growing organically; a purely biological unfolding of events involved in an organism changing gradually from a simple to a more complex level

GRASS
1a. The grass family. b. The members of the grass family considered as a group. 2. Any of various plants having slender leaves characteristic of the grass family. 3. An expanse of ground, such as a lawn, covered with grass or similar plants. 4. Grazing land; pasture.

General Germanic: O.E. græs, gærs "herb, plant, grass," from P.Gmc. grasan (cf. O.N., Ger., Goth. gras), from PIE*ghros- "young shoot, sprout," OFris. gers, gres, OS.gras, MDu. gras, gars , gers, mod.Du gras, gars, gers, mod.Du. gras, OHG.( MHG., mod. Ger.) ON ( Sw. gras, Da. græs) Goth. gras.
COMPARISON WITH THE CLASSICAL ARABIC "GHRZ"
ETYMOLOGY:
The base meaning of "ghrz" "(ghayn+ra'+zayn) in Classical Arabic is planting (i.e. inserting and fixing a stick into the ground), like "ghrs": planting a tree. Hence one says the valley produced "ghrz" grass.
ghrz: A species of panic grass, growing upon the banks of rivers having no leaves consisting of blades (sheaths) , a kind of sweet rush.
ta-ghriyz: Offsets of palm trees that have been transplanted, increase or offspring and fatness (as in fattening animals to make them attractive for sale)
ma-ghriz: A place of growth in general, increase, and vegetative development.
Ghuruwz: Sprigs, shoots, twigs of a plant grafted upon the branches of grape vines. Compare with MHG. "gruose" young plants. cf. PIE*ghros- "young shoot, sprout.
CONCLUSION:
Previously, I stated that history teaches us that past civilizations emerged separately. At times, through interaction, these civilizations converged, effectively leading to an amalgamation forming a new hybrid civilization, and then eventually diverged again. This process, which is continuing in a perpetual sequence of convergence and divergence, is reflected in languages. Case in point are shared isoglosses between different languages. This may be due to historical contact between these languages and cultures. In this case, the $64,000 question facing linguists and archeologists is not if there was any contact between the languages compared here, but rather when this contact occurred.
Ishinan
February 26th, 2008
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Andis Kaulins replied:

The reconstructed proto-Indo-European etymology for "grass" "grow" and "green" is totally faulty.

The root for "grow, increase" is the correctly determined hypothetical proto-Indo-Europan *aug- which is STILL a major word and root in Latvian (see here ) and led to forms such as augl-/augr- "fruit, grow, cultivate", which led to the term "grow". The American Heritage Dictionary at Bartleby writes:

"Appendix I

Indo-European Roots

ENTRY: aug-
DEFINITION: To increase. Oldest form *2eug-, colored to *2aug-. Variant *2weg- becoming *(a)weg-.
Derivatives include nickname, auction, and auxiliary.
1. eke1, from Old English acan, can, to increase; b. nickname, from Old English aca, an addition. Both a and b from Germanic *aukan. 2. Variant (metathesized) form *weg- (from *weg-), extended to *wegs- (o-grade *wogs-). a. wax2; woodwaxen, from Old English weaxan, to grow, from Germanic *wahsan; b. waist, from Old English *wæst, growth, hence perhaps waist, size, from Germanic *wahs-tu-. 3. Form *aug--. auction, augend, augment, author, authorize, from Latin augre, to increase. 4. augur; inaugurate, from Latin augur, diviner (< "he who obtains favorable presage" < "divine favor, increase"). 5. august, from Latin augustus, majestic, august. 6. Suffixed form *aug-s-. a. auxiliary, from Latin auxilium, aid, support, assistance; b. auxin, auxesis, from Greek auxein, auxanein, to increase. (Pokorny aeg- 84.)

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by the Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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I posted about this already at LexiLine at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/LexiLine/message/1216 as follows:

"[T]he Latvian word "aug" meaning "grow" is a root
alleged to be original in Indo-European even by the mainstream
linguists and has many cognates in Latvian, e.g. "augums"
meaning "stature, physical size", or "augli" meaning "fruits, the
growth of the fields and the harvest", and augsts ("high, tall").
All of these can be traced to the root word aug (by the way, we have
this word in English as "high" and in German as "hoch"). I need not
go to Latin augere "to increase" (whence English grow) to find the
root aug, it is already located in the Latvian language. Quite the
contrary, Latin can go to the Latvian to find the root for augere
since the actual root AUG had disappeared from Latin.

The list is endless. There is no need in Latvian to look to Greek or
Latin or any other language for the roots of these words."

In this regard, the Arabic word for "grow, increase" is tarbiyy, allegedly from Arabic root raba (to grow, increase), which is the same as the Latvian root darb- "work, activity" as rooted in dariba "doings". German has lost the D and has the word Arbeit = Latvian darbot "to be be busy". In other words, in Arabic it was not the increasing "height" of something that gave the concept of "growth" but rather the idea of "activity" in the sense of increase.

The idea that there is a root *ghr in Indo-European for the color green is absurd and supported mostly only in Germanic. In Latvian ALL the "colors" are similar and very little dissimilated, showing a very ancient far more original status for color words. I have written about this at length in talking about the hair color of Sumerians:

"Orientalists hold to an unfounded misconception based on a misreading of Sumerian writing, that the Sumerians were "black-haired" invaders.

Sumerian Hair Color
Krishna = Reddish and Blonde Hair

ALL of the indigenous peoples in the Fertile Crescent have Black Hair, so they would not call immigrant Ubaidian Sumerians "black-haired". This is nonsense. An ancient word having another meaning has simply been mistranslated.

We can demonstrate on the basis of the Indo-European
words for COLOR, that
red and blonde have been confused with black and blue.

These terms are e.g. Latvian KRASAINS "bright, MANY-colored",
allegedly found also as Sanskrit KRSNA "black, dark" (incorrect and a similar source of error in Sanskrit translation),
Russian KRASNYJ "the color red"
Old Church Slavic KRASINU, Latvian KRASNS "beautiful".

The description of the hair of the Sumerians by indigenous peoples clearly meant "blonde, red-haired, colored hair", i.e. in CONTRA-DISTINCTION to the black hair of the native inhabitants of the more southerly regions
(As Shakespeare wrote, these are the sun-burned races of the South
- this is not a racial disparagement, it just means that
pigmentation increases with increasing exposure to solar radiation,
which is why the hair of humans gets darker as you go South
- it is a normal adaptation we also find in many life forms.)

The KR- word root is found in English CL- (CoLor),
i.e. the well-known conversion R//L although the KR- forms
have already lost the interceding vowel. In Latvian the words for blue, green and yellow differ only as to the internal vowel (ZIL, ZAL, ZEL) showing a particularly ancient form of the Indo-European proto-language (the text color corresponds to the color being discussed below).

We find the basic root KR / CL in
Latvian ZIL- "blue" - also the
word for "pupil" of the eye
and the blue-grey "forest"
Latvian ZAL- "green" - also the word for grass
Latvian ZEL- "gold, yellow-colored" and DZEL- "yellow" (Latvian)
ZILumas - "grey" (in Lithuanian)
Latvian SARkans - "red"
AZUL- AZUR- "blue" in many languages
ZELenyj "green" (Russian)
ZELtyj "yellow" (Russian)
ZAIRita "yellow" (Avestan)
CAERULeus "blue" (Latin)
SAR- "red" (Latvian)
SORt "black" (Danish)
SVARt "black (Swedish)
KR- "color" (Latvian)
GRey KELainos - "black, dark color"
to which Old Hindic KALA "black"
GALanos - "blue"
but Lithuanian GELtonas "yellow"
XILos - "grass", XL- "green"
CHR- as in CHRoma "color"

It is quite clear from the above examples that all of these terms
derive from a single "color" root-word which was then adapted
in various only slightly dissimilated forms to distinguish the varies shades of "color" in the "color-system".

As the great German thinker Goethe wrote in his Color Theory
about the color-perception of the ancients:
"Their denominations of colours are not permanently and precisely defined, but mutable and fluctuating....Their yellow, on the one hand, inclines to red, on the other to blue; the blue is sometimes green, sometimes red; the red is at one time yellow, at another blue.... If we take a glance at the copiousness of the Greek and Roman terms, we shall perceive how mutable the words were, and how easily each was adapted to almost every point in the colorific circle."

Note as below that the white-black-grey(brown) system
of black and white color has a different root which is BL- viz. BR-.

BL- viz BR- forms are:

PELEKS "grey" (Latvian) duBLI "mud" Sumerian DUB "dried mud writing tablet"
whence Old Irish DUB "black"
BLACK "black" (English)
BLUE "blue" (English)
i.e. our modern "blue" derives from steel blue-grey
BLONDE "white" (English) - note BALTS "white" (Latvian)
from Latvian BALINATS (bleached) = BLONDE
BRown "brown"

The Sumerians did NOT have BL-ack Hair."

Monday, February 18, 2008

THE CASE OF "SAP" PIE FROM BASE *SAB- & C. ARABIC "SAB" - LexiLine Journal 478

Ishinan wrote:

Part of a series of investigations reexamining aspects of the relationship between IE and Semitic, by considering in detail derivations of areas where inferences were made about words which were common to the homeland of the Indo-European-speaking people before the period of migrations took them to the different localities.
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THE CASE OF "SAP" PIE FROM BASE *SAB- & CLASSICAL ARABIC "SAB"

In this segment the focus is on the term "sap", a generic word which means:
"The watery fluid that circulates through a plant, carrying food and other substances to the various tissues. A watery solution of sugars, salts, and minerals that circulates through the vascular system of a plant. The fluid contents of a plant cell vacuole."
IE etymologists have conjectured a connection with Latin sapere to taste, sapor.

SAP (n.1) "liquid in a plant," O.E. sæp c. 900 AD., from P.Gmc. *sapom (cf. M.L.G., M.Du., Du. sap, O.H.G. saf, Ger. Saft "juice" Fr.: sève , Norw.: sevje, Port.: seiva, Sp.: saba, Sw.: sav, Icel.: safi , from PIE *sapon- (cf. L. sapere "to taste"), from base *sab- "juice, fluid" (cf. Sanskrit: SABAR (milk , nectar, only in comp. and prob. connected with Germ. {saf} , {Saft} Angl.Sax. {soep} ; Eng. {sap} ; perhaps also with Lat. {sapio} , {sapor}).

While French dictionaries like "Centre National de Ressources Textualles et Lexicales" quoting Pliny have explicitly stated that the term "sap" is from the Latin sapa ( Du lat. class. sapa « vin cuit (jusqu'à réduction de la moitié, selon Varron, ou des deux tiers, selon Pline) »; devait signifier propr. « suc, sève ».)
In this respect, the classical sources describes sapa as new wine boiled down to a proportion of its original volume" (vin cuit). However, the Latin term refers to the defrutum, a reduction of must used by cooks and others in ancient Rome. It was made by boiling down grape juice or must (freshly squeezed grapes) in large kettles until it had been reduced by at least half, which then was used to provide the necessary sugar for the fermentation of weaker wines or to make others sweeter still. The sweetest defrutum was further boiled down into an even stronger concentrate called sapa.
This explanation hardly translates to "sap" (the watery fluid that circulates through a plant). The OED concurs with the objection to this suggestion:
"the hypothesis that the W. Ger. word was adopted from Latin sapa is improbable in view of its relation to the Scandinavian synonym; besides , the assumed development of meaning in popular Latin ( of which the Rom. words afford the only evidence) appears unlikely unless as a result of extraneous influence)"
In my opinion, it would not be a surprise that the Latin sapa was a loan word from the Ancient Egyptian "sf" which also means to boil, to cook, macerate i.e. in short a term describing the same process of the reduction of must used by cooks in ancient Rome.
Instead of the Latin sapa, a more suitable cognate term for "sap" would be the following examples in Sanskrit which have never been advanced:
SAVA: pressing out the juice of the Soma plant pouring it out, the juice or honey of flowers savalat : the plant yielding Soma-juice. savana: 1 n. ) the act of pressing out the Soma-juice (performed at the three periods of the day) the pressed out Soma-juice and its libation, a Soma festival, any oblation or sacrificial rite.
Moreover, the Skrt. SAVA would appear to be compatible with Old French: SÈVE, subst. fém.: Étymol. et Hist. 1. 1er quart xiiie s. [ms.] « suc nourricier des plantes » , O.E séaw sap, juice, moisture, humor. and Sw: sav. sap.
Finally, it would be instructive to find out that the term "sap" is not exclusively an IE word since it is equally found in Classical Arabic, where sab (sad+'Alif+ba') refers to the expressed juice (sap) of a kind of a bitter tree and/or the sap of the Sabir (the much coveted aloe plant, which is native of the Socotra island). Compare with PIE from base *sab-
The base meaning of the root of the Arabic sab is pouring out, forth or down. (1) Hence, in addition to sap, it refers to what was poured forth, of sweat, and of blood. The expressed juice of dragon's blood mentioned in the Eldest Lady's tale of the Arabian nights (2). The sap of the leaves of sesame or some other plant. Finally a certain red dye which is a match for the term sapo, a red dye (3).
The first occurrence of the word "sap" is found in OE. in Cynewulf Crist c. 900 A.D.
As for the Sanskrit "sabar", the word is found in Ancient Egyptian. The well-known oldest description of aloe "Sabar " is found in the Egyptian papyrus of Ebers in 1,500 BC. The papyrus detailed more than 12 remedies with "Sabar". These Egyptian documents declare that the curative values of the Sabar were known many centuries ago extensively. In fact the AE Sabar (aloe) is said to relieve headaches, soothes chest pains, burns, ulcers and for skin disease and allergies.
See JPEG of the entry of the Ancient Egyptian word.
The Egyptian queens, and the well known beauties Nefertiti and Cleopatra, used it as part of their regular beauty regimes.
History tells that Aristotle advised Alexander (356-323 BC) before initiating the Eastern campaign, to conquer the island of Socotra to provide itself with Aloe with which to cure the wounds of its troops in combat.
In century I AD, the Greek physician Dioscórides, while accompanying Nero´s army, extensively described Aloe's medicinal and cosmetic uses and its qualities. In Chapter 23 of his book III, it makes reference to the aloe and defines the main characteristics.
The Arabs, enthusiastic propagators of the medicinal use of the Sabbar /sabir (aloe) and great consumers of it, took it to their campaigns in Europe in early medieval times where they grew it on extensive plantations in Malaga, Andalusia and Sicily. Today Sabar or aloes are frequently planted in Muslim cemeteries (4) . In Hebrew, the word Sabra is a slang term used to describe a native-born Israeli Jew. (5)
CONCLUSION:
History teaches us that past civilizations emerged separately. At times, through interaction, these civilizations converged, effectively leading to an amalgamation forming a new hybrid civilization, and then eventually diverged again. This process, which is continuing in a perpetual sequence of convergence and divergence, is reflected in languages. Case in point is the recurrent similarities of the term "sap" and its derivatives in different languages. These similarities not only attest to the antiquity of the term, but also points to its wide distribution across IE and AA (including Semitic) languages. The only dissimilarity is how linguists of each language group view it as its own proto word.
Ishinan
February 17th , 2008
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Andis Kaulins replied:

That the "IE etymologists have conjectured a connection with Latin sapere to taste, sapor" is of course typical for them. The critical clue to the etymology of this word is found in your citation of "Sanskrit: SABAR (milk , nectar, only in comp. and prob. connected with Germ. {saf} , {Saft} Angl.Sax. {soep} ; Eng. {sap} ; perhaps also with Lat. {sapio} , {sapor}). "

As I wrote long ago at my website LexiLine at
http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi148.htm
ancient Sumerian SUB meant "to suck, suckle (i.e. to teeth)"
i.e. to provide the "sap" of the "milk" of the breasts to the suckling child.
Sumerian SUB = Latvian ZUOB- "tooth, teeth" viz. "gums" (smaganas).

With time, SAP viz. *SAB came to define the exudate (squeezed out, to squeeeze, SPIEsst- in Latvian) from living things, or, vice versa, the origin is related to the concept of life itself as the "inner juices" of a living thing. Life in Latvian is DZIVE with cognates such as DABA <*DZABA "nature", from which SAPA could derive and whence foods made of exudates such as SOUP or non-food products made of the exudates of plants such as SOAP.

A linguistic relation to "taste" as one of the senses is only present at a distance. What the Indo-Europeanist linguists do not know and have never had an interest to learn is that the various words for the senses and tastes is dissimilated in Latvian to only a very small degree, whence Latvian:

(iz)SALCIS - hungry
SALD- sweet
SALIT- salty
SALIT- to get wet
SALT - to freeze
SVILT - to burn
SAJUT - to sense
SAUSS - dry
SURS - sour
SULA - juice

Ishinan, your idea is good at the core that Latin sapa was a loan word from the Ancient Egyptian "sf" "boil, to cook, macerate" and I think this is related to Latvian cep- "to cook, roast, etc." but where I believe the root there is in Latvian "kup-" viz. kvep- which essentialy means "to smoke, to steam" on a fire as opposed to Latvian var- "to boil".

Sabar will be related to "the Hebrew word tzabar (cf. Arabic Sabbar), the name of the "prickly pear" cactus ... a tenacious, thorny desert plant." The origin of this plant name is more likely to be related to the Latvian term ZUBUR- meaning "branched, thorny, pronged".

Sabra as a term for the Hebrews might be cognate to "Sabaer" (people of Saba). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews.

Thursday, February 7, 2008

SACRED GROVES IN INDO-EUROPEAN AND SEMITIC CULTURES - LexiLine Journal 477

Ishinan wrote:

(Part of a series of investigations reexamining aspects of the relationship between IE and Semitic by considering in detail, derivations of words for tree in both IE and Semitic.)
SACRED "GROVES" IN INDO-EUROPEAN AND SEMITIC CULTURES.
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It is said that sacred groves were a feature of the mythological landscape and the cult practice of various Indo-European cultures. From the "brahmAraNya" the sacred grove in which the Veda was studied, to the legend of Durantia, queen of the Druids. The root of her name, drus, means "oak", and links her with oak trees and Druids.
Augustine's first meeting with British bishops is said to have occurred in a sacred grove. Bede recounts in book II chapter 2 that Augustine was faced with religious missions struggling with periods of relapsed paganism. His obvious selection of a sacred grove as a meeting place was meant originally to placate the Celtic hierarchy under his domination. Despite his efforts, he failed. However, over time, the Roman church gradually won over most of the potentates by embracing many of the Celtic pagan rituals and symbols. Hence, St Columba established the monastery of Dearmach in a sacred grove in harmony with ancient Celtic practices.
Parallel to the Indo-European features and practices connected to sacred groves, the Ancient Near East equally had its share of similar cults connected to groves.

As a matter of fact, groves in the Semitic world were mentioned in connection with various religious worship. In this respect, early Semites consecrated groves to particular gods, and for this reason they were forbidden to the Jews in the Old Testament (Jer. 17:3; Ezek. 20:28).
Ezek. 20:28 - For when I had brought them into the land, which I lifted up My hand to give unto them, then they saw every high hill, and grove, and they offered there their sacrifices, and there they presented the provocation of their offering, there also they made their sweet savor and there they poured out their drink-offerings.
The Hebrew word used for grove in the OT was 'elon, which was uniformly rendered as grove or plantation. In Gen. 13:18; 14:13; 18:1; 12:6; Deut. 11:30; Josh. 19:33 ( In the Revised Version it is rendered, pl., "oaks" ). Groves also featured prominently in pre-Islamic Arabian mythology. Groves at that time, were looked upon as small gardens of Eden. It is no wonder that they became the inspirations of Arabian poets .
'Imrw' al-Qays (1), the most distinguished poet of pre-Islamic Arabia and author of one of the seven odes in the famed collection of gahiyliyah poetry Al-Mu`allaqat, once said:

Like a grove of palm trees, or like Yathrib's (2) paradise garden.
In Classical Arabic, the term used to depict a grove is grb-h. The base meaning of the Arabic term is a place of seed produce in which fruit trees grow.
Compare with
GROVE –noun 1. a small wood or forested area, usually with no undergrowth: a grove of pines. 2. a small orchard or stand of fruit-bearing trees, esp. citrus trees: a grove of lemon trees. or a group of trees planted and cultivated for the production of fruit or nuts: an orange grove. O.E. graf , from P.Gmc. *graibo-, but not found in other Gmc. languages and with no known cognates anywhere.
Akin to graf in Anglo-Saxon is græafa which has a slightly different meaning as thicket or a thick or dense growth of shrubs, bushes, or small trees. (see attached OED example: We made speed through greves and groves [translated in Latin as: per dumeta et silvas] toward the high mountains).
Incidentally, parallel to the OE, græafa is the Arabic Classical term ghryf which equally stands for thicket (or a collection of tangled trees) see attached JPEG:
Ishinan
Feb. 06, 2008
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FOOTNOTES:
(1) 'Imrw' al-Qays ibn Hudjr Ibn al-Harith al-Kindiy is the 6th century Arab poet, acknowledged as the most distinguished poet of pre-Islamic times and author of one of the seven odes in the famed collection of pre-Islamic poetry Al-Mu`allaqat. 'Imrw' al-Qays was the youngest son of Hudjr, the last king of Kindah, an ancient Arabian tribe that originated from the area west of Hadramaut region in Southern Arabia. They were the first to attempt to unite various tribes around a central authority in central Arabia.
(2) Yathrib, mentioned by Diodorus Siculus and Ptolemy, is the oasis known as Lathrippa cf Iathrippa of Stephanus Byzantinus (modern Medina). In ancient Arabia, Yathrib's groves were renown for their lush growth of the date palms, olive trees, and other fruit trees.
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Andis Kaulins replied:

I think Latvian gives us a clue as to why cognates of the term "grove" with the alleged P.Gmc. root *graibo- are not found in other Germanic languages, and also not anything close beginning in "g" in Latvian. In Latvian the cognate term is going to be the root krum- viz *krumiba meaning "bushes, shrubs, brushwood, shrubbery, underwood, thicket", so that *krumiba > grumba >gruba > grove.

Since I am a believer in the Out of Africa theory of humanity, it is interesting to look at Tswana Bantu tɬʰàrÉ©, Bukusu Bantu sààlà, Yao Bantu téélá, all meaning "tree" , Bukusu Bantu sààlà "forest", and Bukusu Bantu sìrù - "bush".

The terms for "branch" are very similar in all of the Bantu languages and similar to Yao Bantu ʤáámbí.

- see
http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/bantu/word.php?v=406
http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/bantu/word.php?v=68
http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/bantu/word.php?v=55

Interesting here is that the Bantu words for "wood" are similar to Latvian kok- (pronounced kuok) "wood, tree". Asu Bantu has kwí,
Bemba Bantu has kúní, Kinyamwezi Bantu has kwìí, Koyo Bantu has kóɲì, Rumanyo Bantu has kûnì, Bukusu Bantu has , Tswana Bantu has χʊÌ�Å‹Ì�(compare Tswana qʰwà "forest" and Koyo Bantu kÉ"Ì� "forest" , i.e. "woods"), and Yao Bantu has kwí.
The Lega Bantu use sálÉ© as their term for wood, which other tribes use as seen above as the terms for tree or bush.
- see
http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/bantu/word.php?v=148

one also finds a cognate at Bantu Basaa kék "stick" and some similar other terms at
http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/bantu/word.php?v=370

The Bantu Bukusu òòlà or Kinyamweszi gÊŠÌ�lÇŽ "bark (of a tree)" and similar Bantu terms by other tribes give us a hint as to origin of the Hebrew 'elon as originating in the idea of "bark (of a tree)". In view of my discussion of Latvian kuok- "wood, tree" above, it is then interesting to find Bantu Lega kÊŠÌ€kÊŠÌ€ and Bantu Yao kùúÅ‹gwà or Tswana kwàtí, all meaning "wood".
- see
http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/bantu/word.php?v=20

Also related here is the concept of "hard" - (Latvian ciets) but here rooted in the concept of hard wood, not tree....
Bantu Asu kúʤÌ`ì, Bemba kòs, Rumanyo káɲù
- see
http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/bantu/word.php?v=184

Thursday, January 24, 2008

IS PIE * DERU EXCLUSIVELY INDO-EUROPEAN ? - LexiLine Journal 476

Ishinan at The Egyptian Chronicles wrote to us as follows:

Best viewed by clicking the Following URL (or, if you have a problem, you can highlight the URL and then copy and paste it in your browser).

http://www.theegyptianchronicles.com/ANEW/DRW.html

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This investigation attempts to reexamine aspects of the relationship between IE and Semitic, by considering in detail derivations of areas never touched upon such as words for common tree in both (IE) and Semitic. In Calvert Watkins' article "Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans, inferences were made about words for tree which were common to the homeland of the Indo-European-speaking people before the period of migrations took them to the different localities.

Below is what he had to say on this subject:

"Nature and the Physical Environment. A large number of terms relating to time, weather, seasons, and natural surroundings can be reconstructed from the daughter languages, some of which permit certain inferences about the homeland of the Indo-European-speaking people before the period of migrations took them to the different localities where they historically appear. .......

When none of these runs through the whole family, it would not be justifiable to infer anything from them regarding the terrain of a hypothetical original homeland of the Indo-Europeans."

According to him: The names for a number of different trees are widely enough attested to be viewed as Proto-Indo-European in date. Hence, general terms for “tree” and “wood” was deru. The names for a number of different trees are widely enough attested to be viewed as Proto-Indo-European in date. The general term for “tree” and “wood” was deru-. The original meaning of the root was doubtless “to be firm, solid,” and from it is derived not only the family of English TREE but also that of English TRUE. Note that the semantic evolution has here been from the general to the particular, from “solid” to “tree” (and even “oak” in some dialects), and not the other way around."

Further, the following etymological entries are usually offered on this subject:

DEFINITION: Also dreu-. To be firm, solid, steadfast; hence specialized senses “wood,” “tree,” and derivatives referring to objects made of wood.

1. Suffixed variant form *drew-o-. a. tree, from Old English trow, tree, from Germanic *trewam; O-grade form *doru-. deodar, from Sanskrit dru, wood, timber. (Pokorny deru- 214.)

TREE : O.E. treo,treow "tree" (also "wood"), from P.Gmc. *trewan (cf. O.Fris. tre, O.S. trio, O.N. tre, Goth. triu), from PIE *deru-/*doru- "oak" (cf. Skt. dru "tree, wood," daru "wood, log;" Gk. drys "oak," doru "spear;" O.C.S. drievo "tree, wood;" Serb. drvo "tree," drva "wood;" Rus. drevo "tree, wood;" Czech drva; Pol. drwa "wood;" Lith. derva "pine wood;" O.Ir. daur, Welsh derwen "oak," Albanian drusk "oak"). Importance of the oak in mythology is reflected in the recurring use of words for "oak" to mean "tree." Slovenian: drevo, Danish: træ , Norwegian: tre , Icelandic: tré , Icelandic: tjara.

2. Variant form *derw-. tar1, from Old English te(o)ru, resin, pitch (obtained from the pine tree), from Germanic *terw-. .

However, according to Classical Arabic sources, "drw" (d : an emphatic dad) is a species of trees of sweet odor growing mostly in Yemen. Some say it is the btm (1), from which the bitumen is extracted; others refer it to the terebinth-tree. Drw also stands for the great oak growing in the Yemeni mountains, and the cancamum tree growing in Arabia (Yemen).

Further, from the tree "drw" tar is extracted.

As for the word for oak tree, the Classical Arabic term is simply" 'iyk. The word occurs four times in the Qu'ran referring to the oak forest dwellers.
(Q.XV.78, Q.XXVI.176, Q.XXXVIII.12, and Q.L.13)

Compare with:

OAK O.E. ac "oak tree," from P.Gmc. *aiks (cf. O.N. eik, O.Fris., M.Du. ek, Du. eik, O.H.G. eih, Ger. Eiche), of uncertain origin with no certain cognates outside Gmc. The usual I.E. base for "oak" (*derwo-/*dreu-) has become Mod.Eng. tree. Used in Biblical translations to render Heb. elah (probably usually "terebinth tree") and four other words. The O.N. form was eik, but there were no oaks in Iceland so the word came to be used there for "tree" in general. Any of numerous monoecious deciduous or evergreen trees or shrubs of the genus Quercus, bearing acorns as fruit. The durable wood of any of these trees or shrubs. Something made of this wood. Any of various similar trees or shrubs, such as the poison oak. Any of various brown shades resembling the wood of an oak in color. Danish: egetræ, Dutch: eik, Norwegian: eik, Swedish: ek .

CONCLUSION: There is great merit in the comparative method which leads to the assumption of the previous existence of an antecedent common to IE languages. However, the existence of identical words for "tree" and its variant "tar," along with the word for oak outside IE languages, undermines the prevailing notion of being exclusively IE.

Therefore, it is safe to conclude that any inference of a hypothetical original homeland of the Indo-Europeans, based on situations like *deru, ought to be reconsidered.

Various JPEGs of dictionary entries on the subject matter can be viewed for scrutiny by the members by clicking on the following URL:

http://www.theegyptianchronicles.com/ANEW/DRW.html

Ishinan

January 24th, 2008

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FOOTNOTE:

(1) BITUMEN 1460, from L. bitumen "asphalt," probably, via Oscan or Umbrian, from a Celtic source (cf. Gaulish betulla "birch," used by Pliny for the tree supposedly the source of bitumen). Bituminous is from 1620 .Middle English bithumen, a mineral pitch from the Near East, from Latin bitumen, perhaps of Celtic origin.] . Du.: bitumen Est.: bituumen, Fin.: bitumi , Fr. : butume , Ger. Bitumen, Hung.:bitumen, It.: bitume, Latv: bitumens. Lith.bitumas, Port.: betume, Roum. : bitum, Slov. bitumen, Sp.: bitun, Swedish: bitumen.

ÉTYMOL. ET HIST. Ca. 1160 betumoi « substance combustible liquide » (Eneas, éd. Salverda de Grave, 6498 : Li betumoi a tel nature : Là ou il est un po sechiez Ja ne sera puis depeciez), forme attestée jusqu'au xiiie s. dans T.-L.; 1190 betume (Evrat, Genese, B.N., 12457, fo 16a dans Gdf. Compl.), forme attestée jusqu'au xiiie s., Ibid.; xve s. forme bitumme, bithume (Hist. s. et prof., Ars. 3515, t. 1, fo 101 ro, Ibid.); xvie s. bitumen (Hug.); 1575 bitume (Belleforest, Cosmographie universelle, Paris, II, 2135 dans Fr. mod., t. 25, p. 306 : une espece de Bitume); p. méton. 1841 « trottoir » (d'apr. Esn.). Empr. au lat. bitumen « id. » (Caton, Agr., 95, 1 dans TLL s.v., 2021, 75); [la date de 1549 donnée pour bitume par les dict. étymol. s'applique au texte lat. de Tagault cité dans Gdf. Compl., dont la trad. fr. est de 1618]; betumoi avec suff. d'a. fr. -oi (lat. -êtu) indiquant une étendue.(source: Centre National de Ressources Textuelles et Lexicales ")

However, one senses that etymologists, by using terms like probably or perhaps are rather tentative in their assumption. While factually, the Arabic word btm for bitumen appears to be a straightforward candidate, pointing to a definite Semitic source for the word.
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Andis Kaulins replied:

Ishinan, it is not your fault, but you are relying on Indo-European
scholars such as Pokorny who had little clue about the actual origins
of language.

The idea that *deru- or *drue- is the correct root word in
Indo-European for words such as "tree" as alleged derived from some
concept for "hard" is clearly erroneous, as any study of Latvian
demonstrates. [Latvian ciets for "hard" may have to do with Latvian koks "tree", but that is an entirely different root]

The correct root for "tree" is not in the concept of "hard" but in the
concept of "branched", for which reason words for "branches" in
Latvian have the root word "zar-" which corresponds to the ancient
word for tree "tar" as tree, indicating an original fricative *dzar-
as the correct root word for "tree". Furthermore, a cognate word in
Latvian like darva is not e.g. the "hardwood" of a tree, but rather
means quite the contrary the "pitch" of the tree, whence "tar".

Once again, the Indo-European scholars have erred mightily.

Similarly, the root for tree, contrary to the absurd notion of the
mainstream Indo-Europan linguists, has nothing to do with the word
true and its cognates. The root for words like "true" in the sense of
"loyalty" is found in Latvian tur- "to hold, to hold to", and is
cognate with der- "to be useful" and dar- "to do", all of course
dissimilated over time from a single common root.

Monday, January 21, 2008

GPS and Other Coordinate Systems in Archaeology & Archaeoastronomy - LexiLine Journal 475

The prime meridian of GPS and Google Earth, which uses WGS84 (1984), runs 102.5 meters east of the Prime Meridian of 1884 at Greenwich. This is not an "error". Read at the Flamsteed Astronomy Society why that is so.

Determining just where we are or where a given place is located is not as simple as it may initially seem to anyone who uses GPS or other survey systems, including the navigation systems in your automobiles. Large discrepancies exist between the various systems, so that awareness of conversion problems is necessary in archaeological and archaeoastronomical work as also for navigation.

GPS (Global Positioning System) operates by means of satellites which determine the position of your GPS receiver. If we define a particular located position as "X", then position X must be a given a value within some kind of a specific coordinate system, and in the case of GPS that position X is given in terms of latitude and longitude, as calculated by WGS84 (World Geodetic System 1984), a standard which was revised by the geopotential model EGM96 (Earth Gravity Model 1996 ) and is in future revision in 2008 as EGM2008 (initially EGM06).

There are numerous other survey systems used for mapping and cartography around the globe and the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency offers the program Geographic Translator (GEOTRANS) for conversion of "twenty-five different coordinate systems, map projections, grids, and coding schemes, and over two hundred different datums...."

The Universal Transverse Mercator Coordinate System is used for mapping the world, now based on WGS84.

A different survey system is ED50, which is used in mapping Western Europe, excluding Britain, Ireland, Sweden and Switzerland, who have their own mapping systems. ED50 can differ by as much as 100 meters west and south from WGS84, i.e. GPS.

Similarly large up to 100-meter+ differences from WGS84 can also be found in the mapping coordinate systems used by Great Britain and Ireland.

For Great Britian, beside GPS, the major mapping system in use is:
OSGB36 - Ordinance Survey Great Britain 1936-1962 - The British national grid reference system.

For Ireland, the major mapping system besides GPS in use is The Irish grid reference system (which also includes Northern Ireland).

Coordinate conversion viz. transformation forms for both the British and Irish coordinate systems are available at the nearby.org.uk Coordinate Converter and also at the Ordnance Survey Coordinate Transformer.

If we plug in e.g. SU123422 (the grid reference for Stonehenge), nearby.org.uk converts this to
51.178904N Long: 1.825418W
which is very close to latitudinal and longitudinal values found online
51.178816N Longitude: 1.826563W (Megalithic Portal)
51.178381, -1.824018, Stonehenge (Stone Search)
51°10´44´´N, 1°49´34´´W (Wikipedia)

For megalithic sites specifically:

Stones Search:
1) generates GPS-suitable output as a comma-separated-variable (CSV) format with the fields latitude, longitude, site name

or at the standard search form
2) generates the British or Irish grid reference

Other Specialized Converters are:

GPS Coordinate Converter with MAP feature showing location (we entered WGS84 data 51.178381, -1.824018 for Stonehenge and received GPS N 51 10.703 W 1 49.441 and latitude and longitude in degrees minutes and seconds N51 10 42W1 49 26)
Coordinate Converter Latitude, Longitude <=> UTM (with choice of Datum)
Geographic/UTM Coordinate Converter
JEEEP.com (Translate coordinates WGS-84, NAD-83, and NAD-27 to and from Latitude/Longitude and UTM)
UK Street Map Coordinate Converter
Archaeoptics (Easting Northing)
Map Window GIS (Open Source Programmable Geographic Information System Tools)
Latitude Longitude Converter
Find Out Where You Are (latitude & longitude, national grid references (NGR), Maidenhad locators (QRA)

Sunday, January 20, 2008

PIE: *bher-1 <-- --> Semitic *b'r - LexiLine Journal 474

Ishinan wrote:

PIE reconstruction in need of revision based on linguistic evidences outside (IE).

PIE: *bher-1 (PIE base *bhor-/*bhr-)

BORE 1 v. tr. TRANSITIVE VERB: 1. To make a hole in or through, with or as if with a drill. 2. To form (a tunnel, for example) by drilling, digging, or burrowing. PIE: bher-1. O.E. borian "to bore," from bor "auger," from P.Gmc. *boron, from PIE base *bhor-/*bhr- "to cut with a sharp point" (cf. Gk. pharao "I plow," L. forare "to bore, pierce," O.C.E. barjo "to strike, fight," Alb. brime "hole") cf. Gk. peirein "to pierce.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/20/B0402000.html

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*B'R Common Semitic noun *b'r to bore, to dig.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/S40.html

B'R : Hebrew/Aramaic: ba'ar (baw-ar) a primitive root; to bore, i.e. (figuratively) examine (1) :--declare.; to dig; by analogy, to engrave; figuratively, to explain:--declare, (make) plain(-ly).; a pit; especially a well:--pit, well. Beer, a place in the Desert, also one in Palestine:--Beer, from buwr (in the sense of 'bo'r' ); a pit hole (especially one used as a cistern or a prison):--cistern, dungeon, fountain, pit, well. (Strong: # 952,953, 874,875 & 876).

B'R / BW'R Classical Arabic: 1. to bore, to dig ; a pit, a fire pit, a storage pit, a well, a cistern. 2. Beirut, from Arabic bayrt, from Phoenician *birt, plural of *bir, well. Figuratively, he hid or concealed a thing. A thing stored for a time of need. He did a good thing beforehand after storing or concealing a thing for himself.

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* (1) compare with PORE (v.) c.1300," to investigate, examine.

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Andis Kaulins replied:

Yes, you are completely right, the PIE reconstruction *bher-1 is
faulty. The Indo-European Latvian language shows us the right path.
Latvian has the compound word pa-ur(t) (PA-UR) "to dig (some), to bore
about", composed of the prefix PA- (BA-) plus the root term UR- "to
dig, to bore", found also with the "t-ending" as Latvian "es pauru
..." (I am digging some, boring some) but also "tu vari paurt ..."
(you can dig some, bore some) or, even older, with the i-stem, paurti.

This has the interesting Latvian cognate purns viz. purnis which means
"snout", i.e. "the digging nose".